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geeklover80 ([personal profile] geeklover80) wrote2013-02-01 01:33 am

May I Join Your Pack? (Teen Wolf related)

I've finally taken the plunge and watched Teen Wolf. I'd taken a glimpse at the first episodes months ago, after that huge After Elton poll. While I liked what I saw, I wasn't in the mood to keep watching just then. (It didn't help that the first moment Derek showed up in the woods my boyfriend turned to me and was like "What is this Twilight?) But a few weeks ago I decided to check it again, partially because I was missing Merlin. I really don't want to get as obsessive about another show as I did with Merlin, but I need another goofy sci-fi/fantasy show to watch. For now I think I'm safe from becoming obsessed with it (then again that's what I said about Merlin.)

While not obsessed, I really, really do like it. I had started watching the first few episodes one by one. When I got to the fourth one, I became really intrigued. I decided to watch a couple more episodes, then do something else. I ended up watching the rest of the first season in one day. And the same thing happened with the second season. I started watching them one by one, but by the third, I was really into the story, and spent the next day watching the rest of the series, even though I really did have more important things to do.

It's a slightly cheesy show, but I like the action and there's a lot of witty lines, and good friendship, and man candy as far as the eye can see. I never thought I would find a show as homoerotic as Merlin, but man so many of the guys look like they are thisclose to making out whenever they're together. I also like that the women aren't complete doormats. I'd hear some things about the show before I watched it - like Scott could be very annoying and whiny, that Allison/Scott were ickily sweet, etc. I agree somewhat. Scott can be whiny at times, there was one scene with Derek trying to train him, I just wanted Derek to smack him. But most of the time, I don't find him that bad and sometimes his whining makes sense. I've been surprised to find myself liking Allison/Scott. Sometimes I do find them too sickeningly sweet, and Scott's obsession with her annoying. But I think Tyler Posey and Crystal Reed have good chemistry and I buy that they're in love. The only time I hate them is when they're broken up. Not necessarily because I hate them not being together, but because the break-up's never make any sense to me. Like in the first season I get Allison being upset that he locked them in the room when they were being attacked, but it just seemed over the top for her to push him away. And now at the end of the second season, I don't get it either.

I would say that my favorite character is probably a toss-up between Scott and Stiles. Stiles is the type of character I generally love, the snarky comic relief guy played by someone with talent, who's dramatic chops shine when given a chance. I don't always love Scott individually, and sometimes I find TP limited, but Scott is a part of most of the dynamics I really love: Scott/Stiles, Scott/Derek, Scott/Isaac, Scott/Allison, Scott/PapaArgent.

SPOILER ALERT


I'm sure most TW fans know this, but just to be safe, in case some are staying spoiler free for the upcoming season. I'm not too broken up about Colton Haynes leaving. On the one hand, I was almost sucked into the Lydia/Jackson stuff in the second season finale. But overall, that relationship was written so poorly. At first they're just the shallow, popular couple who barely seem to like each other. Then he breaks up with her so callously. She seems to get over it quickly. Then in the first season finale, all of a sudden he's really worried about her. Then the dynamic switches back to Jackson being a bastard and uncaring when she goes missing. Then they're making out a few episodes later, with little build-up. But I still some of the stuff with them in the finale touching. But I won't miss them that much. Plus, I think CH was hands down the worst actor on the show. I know most of these actors will not be winning Oscars any time soon, but most of them do a good job, most of the time. CH just seemed to try way too damn hard and felt like he was always trying to ACT with his face like he was some B-movie actor from the silent film era. I tried to get my boyfriend to watch a few episodes of the show, and even he was like "That guy is trying way too hard." I will miss his delcious, delicious chest. I also thought he had great chemistry with Scott, and especially with Derek. But I'll live without him.

The show definitely has its flaws. Like I said, I've had some problems with the Scott/Allison storyline. And I find that their are logic problems and plot holes. Maybe this will be dealt with in the third series, but why didn't Scott tell Allison that her mother tried to kill him? What exactly about the hostage situation at the police station made, whoever it was, decide to give the Sheriff his job back? What exactly is the Scott's boss' role in all this? Why exactly did it have to be Lydia, who resurrected Peter? I swear I watched the last part of the season finale, scratching my head. I actually like some of the mysteries on the show and that I can't always figure out what's going on. But I do think that they need to provide more answers and quicker than they do. A lot of times, it feels like they draw out mysteries and either we never get a real answer or they wait until the last few episodes to reveal the truth. I was watching Once Upon a Time the other day and one of the characters was asking someone why they did something and he actually answered the person right away. I actually remember thinking "If this were TW we wouldn't find out the answer until the fifth season."

Now here comes the opinion that may get me strung up, ;), but I don't quite get Sterek. Well, it's not that I don't get it exactly. But, I rememeber during the After Elton poll, a lot of Sterek fans would post links to videos and I noticed that there weren't a whole lot of scenes in those vids. And people mentioned that they didn't have a lot of interaction. I thought that maybe that meant they had limited interaction in the first season, and it got better in the second season, or their interaction was something significant, but they didn't have a lot of scenes together. And it's not that I don't see how a fanbase can be created from limited character interaction. I loved Jack and Ianto from Torchwood, and especially in the first series, they barely interacted, and their relationship was never as fully fleshed out as it should have been. And they still have a sizeable fanbase. I don't know...I just figured with how...dedicated Sterek fans can be, I just was expecting more.

Not that I don't see chemistry between TH and DO. I definitely see the chemistry and those characters work well together. I've found most of their scenes hilarious and have watched some of them more than once. I've even read a couple of Sterek fanfics since I started watching. For right now, they're kind of like Dean and Castiel from Supernatural. I think they're a great comedic duo, but I don't feel an enormous desire to see them make out. I think I could fall for them if they get more to do together in the third season.

I don't think I'll get my boyfriend into the show like I did with Merlin, Sherlock, The Walking Dead, and other shows. Like I said before, he's constantly making snarky comments about it every time he saw me watching it. And when I got him to seriously take a look at one episode he said that he liked the plot, but the werewolf effects were some of the worst he's ever seen. I can't remember how he described it exactly, but it was funny. But anyway, I like the show and if anyone has any favorite fic or vid recs, I'd love to see some of them.

Up next, maybe, Suits. Not sure since I hardly ever watch shows on the USA network.



Stacey

[identity profile] cruel-fortuna.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 06:40 am (UTC)(link)
Ngl, I skimmed this entry & I'm just here to say that Suits is amazing! Harvey & Mike are pretty awesome bros; even though they've both been dickish to each other in one way or another.

But my fav. character is Louis Litt - he's smarmy & just plain disgusting when you first meet him but damn if the guy doesn't grow on you! Plus the guy's adorable, he thinks schmucks are 'smuks' & he always repays his debts cause he's a Lannister!

Point being, watch Suits for the pop-culture reference jokes ( re: I love the smell of litigation in the morning! ) & ignore the would-be romance they try to pawn off on you in regards to Mike & Harvey. Enjoy the side-characters cause when Mike & Harvey are busy actually being lawyers it's Louis, Donna, Harold & Jessica who save the day - you know cause a certain someone's brain is too busy being awesome. c ;

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I have almost no willpower, so I probably will watch Suits at some point. I've seen the actor who plays Louis in other stuff before, and always found him entertaining, so I probably could like Louis, or love to hate him.

Stacey

[identity profile] donutsweeper.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 06:55 am (UTC)(link)
I never could get into Suits because of the basic premise and how impossible it is. But as for Teen Wolf...

I still haven't seen all the episodes, but I've caught most of them. And I agree, Sterek is a bit of an odd obsession of the fans considering how infrequently Stiles and Derek are together in scenes, let alone how few of those scenes don't involve Derek threatening Stiles in some way.

I'm not a huge Scott fan, he's a bit of a user in my mind, or at least too self-centered and fails to see what Stiles is going through trying to help him and far too centered on Allison.

Doctor Deaton (the vet) and the school counselor whose name I forget obviously have a past and a role in the whole hunter/werewolf thing and I want to know more about that.

I love Stiles. His dad too, they're such great characters (and acted so well) although it bugs me we don't know their first names. Oh well.

This fic is hysterical. Gen. Stiles and the drag queens. The Adventures of Ginger And Stiles- http://archiveofourown.org/works/488279/chapters/851814
a world building one that has an interesting look at Stiles' "belief" and abilities that Deaton alluded to is the Wolf Whistle series here- http://archiveofourown.org/series/25639
90% of the fic I've seen is Sterek and there are a LOT of AUs, a lot of which aren't my cup of tea. I probably have other fics to rec, but it's 1am here, I'll see what I can find in the morning. :)
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[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 09:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the whole abusive angle to Sterek is kind of annoying, too. I mean, sometimes it's funny but it would have to go beyond that to get into it.

I love Stiles and his dad. That's a real good relationship and feels really honest. I am curious about what Stiles' real first name is.

One of the funniest scenes ever in the show was Stiles showing up with those drag queens.

Stacey

[identity profile] dunderklumpen.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Teen Wolf is my go to show to be entertained without thinking to much. That summons it up: Eyecandy, witty dialogues, nice friendships, a bit of drama and I ignore completely the plotholes. Add homoerotic chemistry like *whoa* and I'm happy. Plus Sterek was actually the only slash pairing which sprung upon me directly. I can slash the others as well but these two are the ones who screamed hate!love from the beginning. Plus one of my favourite vids with them is the "After Elton" Ship video. It was teh best!

Suits I love sooooooo much! I liked the first season enough but I needed a second go before I fell head over heels. Sometimes it's love at second sight:) So I would say stick to it if the first episode doesn't convince you from the beginning.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it is a good shoow to try and just turn off your brain and enjoy.

I'll try to give Suits a fair shot.

Stacey

[identity profile] amazonbard88.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 11:25 am (UTC)(link)
I just recently got into teen wolf too!

I need to watch both seasons again because there was a few things that diidn't make sense to me either, and I think its because they did draw things out a lot. So much so that you forgot what was relating to what, lol.

I didn't really have any idea about popular ships or anything before I watched; just kept seeing a bunch of pretty people appearing on my tumblr dash with a lot of tags about feels haha. But came out of s1 shipping Stiles/Derek a bit with no real definite reason why, I just liked their snarky dynamic. I went looking for fic and was expecting it to be a rare pair but woah was I surprised that its the most popular ship. I honestly don't get why its so popular, and thats from somebody who ships it. I'm disappointed though that 70% of Sterek fans seem to be batshit crazy and half the fic writers I don't think even watch the show they write them so ooc. But I think Dylan and Tylers chemistry and off screen bromance fuels half of it lol.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 10:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I think their chemistry is really good and I could probably go for reading some good Modern AU fics with them, because Tyler and Dylan are cute together, but right now in canon I don't see it.

I think all fanbases have their share of crazy fans.

Stacey
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[identity profile] thecheekydragon.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Another one sucked into TW! :)

Yeah, I've got to go back and watch S1 and S2 again because I have many of the same questions that you do. I keep thinking I've missed something because there are a few holes that need filling. Hopefully S3 (with the expanded number of episodes) will help to fix that.

My favourite character is hands down STILES. I guess I like the awkward, kinda nerdy type :) (Though I tell myself that DO is 21 and not really 16, so I don't feel like too much of a perv...lol). Stiles is witty, smart, brave. To me, he's actually the hero of the series. He's a boy who runs with werewolves, after all lol.

My second favourite character is Derek - I just think he's got lots of layers to him that usually go unnoticed and unappreciated. Sure, he threatens people (mostly Stiles) but he's just as likely to save them. Except for Uncle Peter, Derek's never actually killed anybody (at least not purposefully) which says tots about the guy. It bothers me that his pack seems to have abandoned him at the end of S2 (I think I might have yelled 'What is wrong with you pups? Don't leave him!) So, yeah, I might be a little fond of the alpha. Plus, Hoechlin is beautiful. And the things he does with those eyebrows...:D

Scott is adorable but I find myself wanting to poke him in the eye often, especially when he doesn't do right by Stiles. So not cool :\

Yeah, I'm one of those Sterek shippers lol. It's true that Derek and Stiles have limited interaction but their interactions are very dynamically layered to me (unlike Scott and Allison whose relationship seems a little one-dimensional to me). There's definite conflict between the boys but there's also hints of other things that allow fans to read what they will into the relationship. They're also the funniest together of the group. I've rewatched their scenes just because of this lol

And actually I'm surprised there isn't more Scott/Stiles shipping going on because those two...As far as TW slash pairings go, Scott/Isaac is more popular.

I will miss Colton Hayne's shirtless perfection and cheekbone porn, but Jackson was a douchebag (I think I like Jackson better in most fanfics) so I don't think I'll miss his character too much.

And that's my TW dissertation lol

I'll just leave you with this:

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[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Stiles is a pretty big hero. He reminds me a bit of Xander from Buffy. The one normal guy, amongst a group of extraordinary people, who still risks his life for his friends.

Hoechlin is definitely beautiful. I want to like Derek, and I do for the most part. But he's a bit underwritten and he does a lot of stuff that I really don't like.

Scott does take Stiles for granted a lot. That's definitely one of his flaws.

I don't really find Sterek that layered, at least not yet. It feels more right now like two people who don't like each other, who have a friend in common, so sometimes they save each other's lives. They are definitely really funny together and have a great adversarial relationship.

I think maybe Scott/Stiles isn't shipped as much because they just seem like bros. Kind of like Harry and Ron, who are the pairing I see least in slash Harry Potter.

Stacey

[identity profile] littlelostcat.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 03:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Welcome to TW!

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TW is like a drug. You start out slow, thinking you can take it easy, and then you think -- "Just one fic won't hurt." And suddenly it's 6 in the morning and you've done nothing for the last 29 hours but read fic. At that point you don't even care what you're reading. You just need more. And then you start writing it. *shakes head* There needs to be a support group .... but I don't want to quit.


The show itself isn't great but it did get better over the two seasons and I feel like season 3 -- with its 24 episodes -- will be a stronger season. I've also found that most shows, but especially scifi/supernatural ones, tend to need a season to set up the mythology and iron out the kinks.

As for shipping? I ship pretty much every pairing. I have at least two pairings I refuse to read and are automatic back buttons, but generally I'm all for it. It's like a lycanthrorgy inmy little TW world. But, my preferred pairing is Sterek but I'd like to think I'm not one of the crazies.

For me ... I know it won't become canon and I don't ship DO/TH, but Sterek is about possibility. They have similar characteristics as Mulder/Scully and earlier seasons of Sam/Dean (because early on I was a serious Wincester). They have banter and they have a trust that isn't really present in the other characters, or maybe the beginning of trust? I like the possible ways that the strong, alpha (ha ha), dominant, loner and the nerdy, smart, reckless other get together. I like the balance that comes with Sterek. When it's done well. There is A LOT of horribly written fic (and I'm not ashamed to say that I will be contributing to that at some point ... because, yeah, I'm not the best slash writer, LOL). But there are some plausible fic that hits my kinks.


But I do love Stiles. He is hands down my favorite character: he's broken, he's loyal, he's smart, he's nerdy, he's a bit lost in the werewolf world but he keeps going and he has the potential to be very dark. And his relationship with his father is SO well done.

Welcome to Teen Wolf! If you want any recs -- I have loads saved on my iPad. Loads of pairings and gen. I keep thinking I'll make a recs post, LOL, but I haven't gotten around to it.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Nice gif.

Who are the two pairings you refuse to read?

I love Stiles' relationship with his dad.

I'm the same way with trying to get a rec list started, but with Merlin.

Stacey

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[identity profile] mab-di.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 05:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I couldn't agree more with your comments re: Sterek. I love reading the fic, but it's hard for me to understand how the pairing has gotten such incredible devotion given how non-existent their interaction is on the show. I was annoyed by the After Elton poll for so many reasons, primarily because it caused inter-fandom rivalry and that makes me sort of sad. But as a Merlin fan, I was pretty heartbroken that Sterek beat Merthur in the poll mostly because REALLY HOW CAN YOU POSSIBLY COMPARE? I mean, Merlin was 100% a love story between Merlin and Arthur. Virtually every single episode was about their relationship. And that poll took place before the series finale, but that finale only cemented what we already knew, which is that MERTHUR IS CANON.

I think a large part of the dedication to Sterek has been fueled by the fact that the actors and writer, Jeff Davis, have supported and encouraged it. Which is wonderful, really. And Jeff Davis has made some comments that suggest he's at least considering, if not strongly likely, to make Sterek canon in the future. Since he's gay and he's already got an out gay character on the show, people are hopeful that he'll go through with it. But it doesn't exist on the show now. It does exist IN PLENTY in amazing, wonderful fic and I definitely consider myself a fan, I just think it's hard to compare what you get out of that show to what Merlin fans got.

Also, ugh, can't stand Scott/Allison. Dylan, however, is an amazing actor and makes the show for me. As does Tyler H's beautiful...everything.

m.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-02 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, the After Elton poll made my head hurt after awhile. It wasn't just the Sterek fans fighting, but I didn't like some of what some of their fans had to say. And it was one of the reasons I didn't start watching the show after the poll, because I needed a break. And it probably isn't fair to compare because technically the poll wasn't about who was the best couple, but I was also horribly disappointed when Sterek beat Merthur in that poll. Sterek couldn't compare to the other three couples in the final four, bond-wise.

I think it's great that the actors and HW are enjoying the fan's love of Sterek and supporting it. I hope he does go through with it and really makes them a viable couple and builds them up properly, since it's not really happening now.

I think I could enjoy a good modern AU Sterek fic.

Stacey

[identity profile] last01standing.livejournal.com 2013-02-01 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, Teen Wolf. I went in trying to find something as campy as Merlin. Kind of found a surrogate Supernatural instead. It's got its flaws, yes, but all in all it's good good fun. I found myself liking most of the adult characters more than the kids. And my absolute favorite dynamics in the show are Stiles and his dad and Allison and hers. Like you, I find the massive Sterek of the fandom... out of place more than anything.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-02 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I think most of the adult characters were pretty good, except for some of the Argents. They don't get a lot of development but they're played by good actors. I like Scott's mom and Stiles' dad, and the lacrosse coach.

Stacey
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[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-02 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, if you're husband is anything like my boyfriend, watching it with him probably wouldn't work out too well. I think the first three episodes are alright, and it does get better from there.

Stacey
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[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-03 03:59 am (UTC)(link)
I think, beyond Derek/Stiles, the show is good. I have a hard time seeing anything romantic happening between Derek and Stiles right now, with the limited screentime and the nature of their interactions. But there is chemistry there. Apparently, the HW is thinking about going there. To make it viable for me, the screentime would have to increase and there would have to be more of a deep connection there. But it's not too lateIMO.

Stacey
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[personal profile] sandrine 2013-02-03 09:23 am (UTC)(link)
I just figured with how...dedicated Sterek fans can be, I just was expecting more.

I felt exactly the same way! I've read a lot of Sterek fics before I actually watched the show and I kept reading them, but I was shipping Stiles and Derek a lot more in fanon than I actually shipped them in canon on the show.

I suppose it doesn't really help that I don't like Stiles, but I adore Derek, so I don't really have much interest to see Derek with someone I can't stand. :/

Derek is hands-down my favorite character, followed by Allison and then Chris. I feel mostly ambivalent towards Scott - he's a good guy and he and Allison are cute together but whenever he's been unfairly abrasive towards Derek I was to cut him. I love Scott/Isaac though, after their budding friendship in late S2.

[identity profile] geekslave.livejournal.com 2013-02-03 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
What don't you like about Stiles, just out of curiosity?

I find that most of Scott's abrasiveness toward Derek is warranted.

I found myself not caring about Isaac too much when he transformed. I thought he was a pointless jerk. But towards the end I really came to like him and his budding friendship with Scott.

Stacey

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